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charlie48horlogerie
Nombre de messages: 1537 Age: 37 Localisation: Les 400 coups Date d'inscription: 13/06/2010
 | Sujet: Une de mes plus belle trouvaille Mar 28 Déc 2010 - 8:38 | |
| Bonjour Pour fêter joyeusement ce Noel, voilà ce que j'ai reçu hier : acheté 5€ avec d'autres rasoirs sans interêt sur un site d'enchère en ligne bien connu rangé dans la section jardinage (!)  Je vous laisse imaginer ma surprise : un Joseph Rodgers et pas des moindre : pour la taille c'est entre le 6 et 7/8, notez l'encoche sur la soie et le guillochage sur le dos, qui, il me semble sont très inhabituels sur les rasoirs anglais...les chasses sont en ivoire, la mention indian steel et la traduction en Indy me permet de dater ce rasoir des années 1850 ?    Mis à part le pivot, la corrosion me semble superficielle et va vite dégager !  Le fil est extra, il ne semble pas avoir connu la pierre ! La suite après restauration ! Bon révéillon à tous ! |
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esspic

Nombre de messages: 6778 Age: 35 Localisation: Vertus - GEO Date d'inscription: 09/10/2009
 | Sujet: Re: Une de mes plus belle trouvaille Mar 28 Déc 2010 - 8:43 | |
| jolie trouvaille ! Il va falloir être méticuleux si tu le démontes. Mais, dis moi, papillote déroulée, on dirait qu'il sort de la cheminée, il est tout noir... Charlie invente : le premier CC en robe des champs ! Manque plus que le fromage blanc aux herbes... _________________ “I heard of a man who had a razor made of Valyrian steel,” declared Toad. “He cut his head off trying to shave.”
Là où ça tourne Là où ça bosse
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McKay

Nombre de messages: 1815 Age: 46 Localisation: Quimper - France - GEO Date d'inscription: 18/08/2010
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charlie48horlogerie
Nombre de messages: 1537 Age: 37 Localisation: Les 400 coups Date d'inscription: 13/06/2010
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FabienR

Nombre de messages: 938 Age: 26 Localisation: Bordeaux - GEO Date d'inscription: 06/01/2010
 | Sujet: Re: Une de mes plus belle trouvaille Mar 28 Déc 2010 - 10:52 | |
| quel merveilleux rasoir, belle surprise dis moi.
Un vieux Joseph Rogers :heart: |
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charlie48horlogerie
Nombre de messages: 1537 Age: 37 Localisation: Les 400 coups Date d'inscription: 13/06/2010
 | Sujet: Re: Une de mes plus belle trouvaille Mar 28 Déc 2010 - 13:23 | |
| Il devait avoir un petit frère, ce genre de très beau rasoir étaient vendu par paire. |
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metais dominique

Nombre de messages: 2914 Age: 51 Localisation: le mans-les ardriers-France- GEO Date d'inscription: 18/12/2008
 | Sujet: Re: Une de mes plus belle trouvaille Mar 28 Déc 2010 - 13:35 | |
|  Très joli rasoir ! |
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Pierre-Guy

Nombre de messages: 137 Age: 57 Localisation: Arras - France - GEO Date d'inscription: 16/07/2010
 | Sujet: Re: Une de mes plus belle trouvaille Mar 28 Déc 2010 - 14:41 | |
| Outchhhhhh ! (mode crise de jalousie on) Un superbe vieux sheffiled comme je les aime. C'est une belle prise ! Bravo ! Pour le plaisir : 1851, ANNALS OF YORKSHIRE  Pour info : (Piochée sur TAYLORS 1000) JOSEPH RODGERS (ROGERS) & SONS No6 Norfolk St., Sheffield Appointed cutlers to His Majesty King George IV in 1821; chosen as one of 5 firms to make cutlery specimen’s for presentation to the Duke of York in 1826 ("Old Sheffield Razors" by Lummus. Antiques, December 1922 p.261-267) 1682 - at least 1991 Rodgers Joseph & Sons, Queen's cutlers, merchants, and manufrs. of pen, pocket, and table knives, silver and plated desserts, razors and scissors ; and silver-plate, &c. dealers, 6 Norfolk street From Whites Directory of Sheffield 1852 Joseph Rodgers & Sons was one of the largest cutlery manufacturers in Sheffield in the late 1800s. The company's famous star and Maltese cross mark was registered in 1764. By the end of the 1700s, they had established a factory on Norfolk Street.
In 1887 the firm began to manufacture its own crucible and shear steel, culminating in the purchase of the Sheaf Island Works in 1907. By the end of the 1800s Joseph Rodgers & Sons was certainly one of the largest cutlery manufacturers in the world. However, the firm did not escape the decline in Sheffield's cutlery trade during the early 1900s. Foreign competition, increasing mechanisation and the advent of stainless steel contributed to their decline. The company underwent a number of takeovers during the 1900s. The rights to the name and cutlery marks were bought most recently by the Egginton Group of Companies in Sheffield. Who made this object? This multi bladed penknife was made by the firm Joseph Rodgers & Sons of Sheffield, around 1840. Joseph Rodgers & Sons was one of the largest and most prolific cutlery manufacturers based in the city. The company's famous star and Maltese cross mark was registered with the Company of Cutlers in 1764. By the end of the 1700s, the firm had established a factory on Norfolk Street.
By the turn of the 1800s Joseph Rodgers & Sons was producing a vast range of goods. This included their famous penknives and pocket knives, as well as scissors, table cutlery and razors. In 1887 the firm began to manufacture its own high quality crucible and shear steel using iron imported from Sweden.
How was the object used? This penknife has a total of sixteen short, folding blades. They are slender with pointed ends. Each blade is marked 'RODGERS'. Before the introduction of steel pen nibs, quills made from feathers were used for writing. Penknives were used to cut the quill to provide a perfect point for writing. The end of the feather was first cut to a point. A small, vertical nick was then cut into the very tip of the quill to enable the ink to flow evenly onto the page.
Joseph Rodgers & Sons later developed an automatic quill cutter to make the preparation of quill pens simpler. These were made from brass and had a spring action. The end of the quill was placed into the cutter and the lever pressed down to cut it to shape in one step. However, a penknife was still required to cut the vertical slit into the point of the quill.
This penknife is very elaborate and would have been used as a decorative as well as functional item. It would have been used at a desk alongside a wide range of writing equipment including an inkstand for storing ink, tapersticks and wax for sealing letters, and a box for holding stamps.
What is the object made from? The blades of this penknife are made from steel and the scales are made from ivory. The knife is unusual as it has four separate ivory scales, giving it a cylindrical shape. Most knives and razors have only two scales, one on each side of the handle.
Joseph Rodgers & Sons used expensive imported materials for the manufacture of decorative hafts and scales. They bought mother of pearl from the Philippines, stag and buffalo horn from India and tropical woods from the West Indies. The firm also used vast quantities of ivory (elephant tusks) that was bought in bulk from traders in London, Antwerp and Liverpool. It is said that four or five men were employed by the firm to continuously saw ivory into small pieces for making handles.
What happened to Joseph Rodgers & Sons? Joseph Rodgers & Sons did not escape the decline in Sheffield's traditional cutlery trade during the early 1900s. The declining market led to the sale of the Norfolk Street factory in 1929. Foreign competition, increasing mechanisation and the advent of stainless steel contributed to their decline. The company underwent a number of takeovers during the 1900s. The rights to the name and cutlery marks were bought most recently by the Egginton Group of Companies in Sheffield.
Revealing the object's Hidden History… As part of the DCF funded Living Metal project, we visited Trevor Ablett to find out more about how the penknife was made.
Hidden History: how was it used? Trevor described the object as a "gentleman's penknife"; a decorative item not for everyday use.
Hidden History: how was it made? "[I've] never attempted to make a knife like that! Never made anything like it".
Trevor examined the knife and concluded it was made on the same basic principal as putting a single bladed knife together. The blades would be fitted to forked springs. There are two of these springs at each side of the knife.
However, the knife would have taken days to put together as there are so many blades to dress. Trevor stated that the cutler would need to be "very delicate to do this kind of work", as it requires a light touch and is "very skilfully made".
Each of the scales has been carved from a single piece of ivory.
Hidden History: About Trevor Ablett Trevor began his working life making knives with his uncle, Emile, after leaving school. His uncle's workshop was on Athol Road in Sheffield. After five years Trevor went on to make open razors for A Myers, who worked in the same building. Trevor made open razors for five years, before returning to work with his uncle. He has made knives ever since.
From 1980 Trevor Ablett worked for Joseph Elliot's on Sylvester Street. In 1990 he began working on his own from premises on Egginton Lane, before moving to Randle Street. He is now based at Norfolk Barracks.
Trevor has made every type of common knife since being taught the trade by Harry Wragg ("I owe my career to Harry"). Trevor has an incredible fifty years of experience in the industry. He is one a small number of cutlers working independently in the city today.
Find out more… Learn about the history of the company in a fascinating publication produced in 1911: (unknown) c.1911 Joseph Rodgers & Sons, Ltd., Sheffield, Cutlers to their Majesties. Under Five Sovereigns. (Reference RBR PAM Q 338.478382 (R), Special Collections Department, Sheffield University Library)
Read more about the importance of Joseph Rodgers & Sons: Tweedale, G. 1996 The Sheffield Knife Book. A History and Collectors' Guide. Sheffield: The Hallamshire Press.
Information from the marks registry courtesy of the Company of Cutlers in Hallamshire |
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charlie48horlogerie
Nombre de messages: 1537 Age: 37 Localisation: Les 400 coups Date d'inscription: 13/06/2010
 | Sujet: Re: Une de mes plus belle trouvaille Mer 29 Déc 2010 - 10:35 | |
| Un petit cadeau : l'histoire officielle de la firme (en anglais, mais avec plein d'illustrations)
RODGERS |
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Pierre-Guy

Nombre de messages: 137 Age: 57 Localisation: Arras - France - GEO Date d'inscription: 16/07/2010
 | Sujet: Re: Une de mes plus belle trouvaille Mer 29 Déc 2010 - 11:26 | |
| | Citation: | Un petit cadeau : l'histoire officielle de la firme (en anglais, mais avec plein d'illustrations)
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Merci ! et hop ! copié dans le dossier de doc. sur les vieux sheffield |
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impérator

Nombre de messages: 2102 Age: 39 Localisation: Chartres France GEO Date d'inscription: 04/05/2009
 | Sujet: Re: Une de mes plus belle trouvaille Mer 29 Déc 2010 - 11:36 | |
| Très beau ! FelicitationS ! Le marquage au dessus de "indian steel" c'est quoi? J'arrive pas bien a voir... _________________ Envie d'un rasoir restauré ou autres accessoires... c'est ici : *Monsieur Von Tiki Old Razors shop* ou ici :*Monsieur Von Tiki sur FaceBook* |
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charlie48horlogerie
Nombre de messages: 1537 Age: 37 Localisation: Les 400 coups Date d'inscription: 13/06/2010
 | Sujet: Re: Une de mes plus belle trouvaille Mer 29 Déc 2010 - 12:40 | |
| | Citation: | | Le marquage au dessus de "indian steel" c'est quoi? J'arrive pas bien a voir... |
C'est de l'Hindi (en fait du sanscrit, la langue sacrée de l'Inde), j'ai essayé de voir si cela correspondait à quelque chose...mes conaissances en sanscrit sont assez faibles...
मैं अनुवाद पता है की तरह!
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charlie48horlogerie
Nombre de messages: 1537 Age: 37 Localisation: Les 400 coups Date d'inscription: 13/06/2010
 | Sujet: Re: Une de mes plus belle trouvaille Jeu 30 Déc 2010 - 14:47 | |
| Je pense que c'est comme les rasoirs de Sheffield fabriqués pour les chinois d'amérique (cf les chemins de fer), ils ont gravés des idéogrammes qui ne veulent rien dire...une idée romantique ? |
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Pierre-Guy

Nombre de messages: 137 Age: 57 Localisation: Arras - France - GEO Date d'inscription: 16/07/2010
 | Sujet: Re: Une de mes plus belle trouvaille Jeu 30 Déc 2010 - 18:02 | |
| En Inde, jusqu'au 19ème siècle les lames en acier wootz ont été faites dans les centres suivants : Lahore, Amritsar, Agra, Jaipur, Gwalior, Tanjore, Mysore, Golconda. Aucun de ces centres n’a survécu.  Origine possible du mot Wootz. The INDIAN STEEL En Inde, différents noms ont été donnés à l'acier au creuset dans de différents langages. Suivant Yule et Burnell (1886), le mot Wootz semble avoir son origine dans soit une erreur d'écriture ou soit dans une lecture erronée, très probablement pour "wook", mot représentant en Canarese (Kannada) ukku (pron. wukku) l’ "acier" ou uchcha, "de qualité supérieure" . Ils ajoutent: «le glossaire Madras donne comme noms locaux de l'acier, Canarese ukku, Telagu ukku, le tamoul et le malayalam urukku, et wootz tire de ucca en sanscrit, d'où vient uncha en Hindi". Pour rêver un peu, en sanscrit ucca signifie « acier » mais aussi « meilleur » उच्च उग C'est de toute façon une très belle trouvaille, un rasoir qui était à son époque déjà un objet de qualité, qui j'en suis certain est arrivée en de bonnes mains.  Dieu Protége La Reine ... Victoria PS : continuant mes recherches sur le Damas je passe sur wikipedia et ... l'essentiel y est ... je me dis que j'ai passé beaucoup de temps à parcourir et traduire de vieux bouquins pour rien.
Dernière édition par Pierre-Guy le Ven 31 Déc 2010 - 1:14, édité 2 fois |
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Barry

Nombre de messages: 345 Age: 41 Localisation: Centre France Date d'inscription: 23/08/2009
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